Review: Luminosity (2012)

clevelander said:
It is not hard liquor being sold...

Well that's a bummer. Though I suppose if they were selling liquor, it likely would be bottom shelf liquor at top shelf prices anyway.

I found this video of Lumimosity and the lights and music in the area, if you haven't seen the show yet, this gives a good idea of what it's like.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brdSDCetXrY

BORING.

clevelander said:
I simply responded that gluttony was also a sin and that the same rules should apply to herslef that she is spewing onto us.

That is all kinds of winning! :) People who spew hate better be ready to get it in return.

As for the beer/wine sales, does anybody really think people are getting drunk at the prices the park charges? I'll grant that it probably does happen, but I'm quite certain it's rare.

TheHSBR said:

My greatest offense was the alcohol table set up in the back of the plaza. To me this sends mixed messages. Many on here have claimed this to be a family event to cap the night, but the inclusion of alcohol really works against that thinking.

It's not an "alcohol table" it's actually a pretty nice sized bar. In no way does selling beer and wine take away any aspect of CP being family friendly. That argument holds no water as all the sitdown restaurants at CP have alcoholic drinks and there is no problem sitting down with your family and enjoying adult beverages while having a meal. The fact that Luminosity is an outdoor venue does not change that concept.

I love the fact that CP does a pretty good job of creating a party atmosphere, having a beer is totally appropriate.

Famous Daves and Fridays at the point have hard liquor. I had a nice tall Tanqueray and Tonic with lime to settle a queezy stomach after a heavy meal on Sunday waiting for the rain to stop. Nothing wrong with that!

So theres no difference between having a drink at dinner with family/frinds and having a bar at at club like atmosphere? That argument holds no water because they are two totally different environments. I was fine with the previous arangement of offering drinks with dinner. This is a differnet animal and I stand by my previous statements.

So if you have a club-like atmosphere you shouldn't have a bar? That argument holds no water. It comes down to personal responsibility. If you became a flaming drunk in front of your family your problems run much deeper than having beer at Luminosity. Having a beer or wine while enjoying the show and dance party is totally appropriate even with your family.

Personal responsibility is something that many people lack, yet somehow that is the parks fault for tempting them with a beer table. Doesn't make sense to me

TheHSBR said:
So theres no difference between having a drink at dinner with family/frinds and having a bar at at club like atmosphere? That argument holds no water because they are two totally different environments. I was fine with the previous arangement of offering drinks with dinner. This is a differnet animal and I stand by my previous statements.

That's like saying that it was the open bar's fault because you got drunk at your cousins wedding.

TheHSBR said:
So theres no difference between having a drink at dinner with family/frinds and having a bar at at club like atmosphere?

If someone cannot drink responsibly, they rarely don't make distinctions between venues when it comes to their behavior. Perhaps you simply hang out with too many irresponsible drinkers.

So the majority of people out at clubs dont get drunk? That is contrary to the experiences I have had at clubs. I am not pointing fault at people getting drunk. I am saying that this type of environment will lend itself to people getting drunk or even just having a few too many and I believe thats not an environement CP needs.

I would agree that the majority at clubs don't get drunk. The ones who do are their to get drunk anyway and would do it no matter where they are located. 100% it's the fault of the person getting drunk because they are the ones having to put the money down to do it. No one is standing over them with alcohol saying, "You're in a club, you must get wasted!"

There will be people who will lay down the money at the show and prob get drunk, I'm sure. But it is rare, as most people, especially dads, are there with their family. Most guys will prob have like one beer, then munch on fries or a burger. Cedar point charges a high price for alcohol, as I've learned, so most people would probably not want to empty their whole wallets just for beer and/or food. Unless you're rich.

TheHSBR said:
So the majority of people out at clubs dont get drunk? That is contrary to the experiences I have had at clubs.

So, what I said above was correct:

djDaemon said:
Perhaps you simply hang out with too many irresponsible drinkers.

:)

I am not pointing fault at people getting drunk. I am saying that this type of environment will lend itself to people getting drunk or even just having a few too many and I believe thats not an environement CP needs.

Again, alcohol has been served at CP for many, many years. This potential problem has never materialized. Based on the description Pete offered (and that man seems to know his way around a Cedar Point beer mug :)), there's no reason to think adding another booze venue will significantly change things for the worse.

I saw the show for the first time this past Saturday and there was a very large crowd. Most seemed to be really enjoying the show. I did not see anyone who was drunk, excessively drinking or acting inappropriate. There were several people at the bar (sorry, I didn't see Pete at the bar), just socializing and having a good time. I see no issues at all with this. My only suggestion would be that they need to offer some more choices of beer on tap.

TheHSBR said:
So the majority of people out at clubs dont get drunk? That is contrary to the experiences I have had at clubs.

You must go to crappy clubs.

The protest against alcohol at amusement parks is amusing every time it comes up (which is at least twice a year on CoasterBuzz, when one park or another applies for a permit and people start yelling, "Think of the children!").

Let me break it down for you: Availability of alcohol doesn't mean people will get drunk. Nearly every restaurant I go to serves alcohol. Even Chipotle does. Ever see drunk people at Chipotle? Applebees?

If you don't want to drink, and don't want your family to drink, that's your business. Just don't make the asinine generalization that people who choose to buy a drink are going to be drunk. For that matter, don't assume that people who do get drunk are going to throw up on you or start a fight. I suspect you encounter more drunk people than you realize whilst on vacation. (See: Epcot. Pick a night.)

One difference is that at a restaurant you are usually there for a limited period of time--until you finish dinner. And, you are spending some of that time eating. Unless the service is really crappy you are not spending hours there drinking. That is why you do not usually "see drunk people at Chipotle? Applebees?"

Conversely, occasions/places where there is no limit-and no eating to interrupt the drinking-you can consume a much greater amount of alcohol. To quote Jeff again "(See: Epcot. Pick a night.)"

ONE of the considerations is not the availability of alcohol, but the time available to consume it.

Another consideration is how people will react to the availability of alcohol.

There is nothing wrong making alcohol available to responsible adults. And there is nothing wrong NOT making alcohol available to responsible adults. It is strictly a business decision: Will the park scare off more parents/people/families than it will attract by selling alcohol.

While I haven't been to CP yet, is there really enough time to get drunk during Luminosity or the after party? If the Luminosity event lasts less than an hour and you can get drunk, not buzzed, but drunk in that short period of time, then you have no business drinking in the first place.
With all of the things they have done to try to raise money this year, serving extra alcohol is my favorite. If they don't serve what I like at the show, I guess I will just run to Famous Dave's and grab a quick one or two. They have just about everything and charge decent prices.

Plus, if you eat there, you get your parking money back.

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!! We ate at Famous Daves on Sunday and totally forgot about the parking validation!