should smoking be allowed at the point?

I feel the same way about queue smokers as Jeff, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to shove a lit cigarette up someone's nose who was smoking right under the no smoking sign. Enforcement of the policy is variable. Some of the DJs did a good job of enforcement, but the ride ops seem to be very indifferent. Some of the cops did a good job of enforcement, while other cops let guests smoke in the queue right next to where they were standing! A park wide smoking ban is neither necessary or fair, just do a good job of stopping those inconsiderate slobs from smoking in the queue line, and all will be well.

 

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It's very hard to drink all day...
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DBCahill said:
"If you run into people smoking in line, just discharge a nice wad of tobacco spit right around their feet."

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It may have "worked" in your situation, but I'd highly discourage such 'passive agressive' techniques. Applied to the wrong person, it can get you into a whole lot more trouble than what so-called secondhand smoke will do...
jeremy

I agree with Jeff...I am a smoker , But I take gum into the queue line.

DBCahill, someone may give you a punch in the nose for doing something like that.

Very well put Jeff and I'm A non smoker.
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You have to remember folks that this is a free country, people who choose to smoke have that right, and they have paid for it.  If they would start to ban smoking, what would be next?  Clothing that people wear, (I especially enjoy those who wear all black, with their hair in spikes, in the middle of July when it is 85 out with 99% humidity).  Yes I am a smoker, but if those who choose to smoke are not permitted to smoke outside in open air, what is next?  I don't smoke in any of the lines, and in all reality I hardly smoke in the park at all, but we have rights too.  Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, br happy the way it is now, or what will eventually happen is that the security at the park will become the "smoke police" and take away from doing their real job.

This is for Emma, I am not trying to start anything with you personally, and I am sensitive to your problem, but my question is, if you have such a horrible athsma problem, why are you going on rides that take your breath away?

 

Jerry

But we also have the right to enjoy a clean park without finding even more butts on the midway than there already are!

I think the policy is in good standing right now.

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*** This post was edited by Jeffrey Spartan on 1/8/2002. ***

The smoking policy at Cedar Point is the best I have come across at any other park, yet there is still a lot of room for improvement. The no-smoking in line rule is enforced quite a bit, but it can be enforced much better.

Question...why do line jumpers get kicked out of the park, but someone who smokes in line, who is endangering the health of others, just gets a warning, or nothing gets said at all? Smoking in line would be breaking the rules, and shouldn't that mean if you smoke in line you leave the park just like a line jumper?

I would never take the right to smoke away from anyone, but why should a smoker take the right of others to breath clean air away? Why should I or others have to breath in cigarette smoke if we do not choose to? And no, we cannot just hold are breath. That doesn't work. I am not saying that ALL smokers are inconsiderate, but there are some who are. I know a lot of people do try to smoke away from others and that is great but some people just don't seem to care who they are affecting.

I still say that Cedar Point can set up designated smoking areas in the park so that the smokers can be happy and the non-smokers don't have to worry about breathing it in. It worked great for Disney.

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All I'd like to see is some enforcement.  I will continue to make a dramatic and somewhat ridiculous fit about smokers in line, which there are unfortunately a whole lot of, and all that is simply to make a point - follow the rules, and quit killing me from your toxic waste.  I come to enjoy the rides, not to inhale someone else's toxic chemicals.

I agree that the real issue is enforcement, and at times in the last few years, it has really sucked. I'm sure the right people at the park are reading this, but the question is, will they do anything about it this year?

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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Yeah, people like myself, I'm allergic to smoke.  And my girlfriend, without getting into other topics, lets just say she's gone through a lot of stuff, and smoke in her lungs is the last thing she wants.  Through the midway, etc., I don't like that people smoke, but at least you can get away from it.  In line, there's no place to go.  I would be all for a smoke free park, but I know it's not going to happen.  I, like Jeff and Mr. Anonymous, hope that the enforcement improves.  I do like the idea that if you're caught smoking in the queue, you get tossed from the line.  It's like going to the bathroom.  Go/smoke before you get in line, then you won't lose your place.
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Mr. Skyward is my hero.
Just because I have a fast car, doesn't mean pull me over on my way to CP!
BHG:"If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?"

I said this in the other Smoking thread, but will say it here too:
1). Your rights are only good until they infringe upon the rights of others.  You chose to inhale a toxic substance that also invades the air that others breathe.  Plain and simple. You can make a fist and swing it in the air because that is your right...but if you make that fist and punch someone in the face you have gone beyond your rights.  America is not a completely free society, never was, never will be.  America grants as much freedom as possible, but it stops your freedom once you encroach upon the freedom of others.

2). It is impossible to be "Allergic" to smoke.  Allergies come from the bodies inability to fight natural allergens (pollen, weeds, etc.).  Some people have natural immunites to allergens that counteract the side effects. Smoke is an "Irritant" that causes many of the same reactions that allergens cause.  Nobody has a natural mechanism to deal with smoke.  Everyone is affected by it, granted some more than others.

There are very few "pro-smoking" arguments, and hardly any of them are very valid.  It amazes me how people will adopt beliefs that support what they like to do...whether the beliefs are true or not.

*** This post was edited by Rotunda_Chillin on 1/9/2002. ***

Well, I "react" to different cigarettes differently.  My best friends parents smoke, and my eyes swell nearly shut and turn beet red within an hour or two.  The only time that that happens any faster, is when I'm near a cat.  Give me 10 minutes, I'll be rubbing my eyes and sneezing like crazy.  A friend in college used to smoke a different brand, and I was fine.  90% of the time, it's in between the two.   I'm also alergic to Tide laundry detergent.  I don't know if that's a natural allergen, but I break out in hives bad when I wear clothes washed in it.  But you are right about freedoms.  That's where smoking in line comes in, I think.  I'm not able to get away from the smoke, therefore infringing my rights.  On the midway, I can walk faster/move away.
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Mr. Skyward is my hero.
Just because I have a fast car, doesn't mean pull me over on my way to CP!
BHG:"If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?"

Your right not to be subjected to smoke while standing in line at CP?  Show me where this is in the Bill of Rights.  You would have a nice civil rights lawsuit if it was in the bill of rights at CP was an agent of the government.  Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.  And BTW, I don't smoke.

As much as I don't like the smell of smoke, I also don't care for being subjected to oversprayed perfume, inconsiderate body odors, etc and how do you stop all of that?

I do have the right to the Pursuit of Happiness, right?  I'm happier when I don't have red, itchy eyes, and sneeze all the time.
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Mr. Skyward is my hero.
Just because I have a fast car, doesn't mean pull me over on my way to CP!
BHG:"If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?"

The thing that I find odd is that the coal burning train running right by the MF line does not seem to bother anyone. It's funny to me, too watch the thick black smoke blowing over a crowd of people, that are surrounded by cops, that are looking for smokers. Whatever... 

Good point Toofast.  I'm not saying there isn't people who become ill from smoke.  But I do think SOME people claim it makes them ill just to get their way when really they just don't like the smell.  UCISGEP, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution only protect you from the government, not citizens.  Criminal law protect's you from other individuals.  A point they have not been teaching people in school.  As I said before, I think CP's policy is all that is needed.

*** This post was edited by Winston306 on 1/9/2002. ***

No, I understand that, Winston.  I did graduate college.  But when I can't see, breathe, etc., I'm the one who is wrong for someone else doing what is posted on signs all over the queue area not to do?  Say what you want, I do have alergic reactions to cigarette smoke.  The only time I willingly subject myself to it is when I'm at a bar, but then it's usually something else causing my bloodshot eyes, and I don't really notice the itching too bad.  But why should I just stand and take the bloodshot & itchy eyes when I'm in line and can't get away from someone breaking the rules?  All I ask is a little compassion.  Now, most smokers on this board won't smoke in line.  And I've never said they should get ban smoking park-wide.  Would I be upset if they did? No, but it's not likely.  And I wouldn't go searching through old threads for anything about queue lines, waits, etc. to post how they should ban smoking.  In a perfect world, nobody would have to "patrol" queue lines for smokers, b/c nobody would do it.  However, I would appreciate if something would be said when an employee is standing near the queue, and somebody is smoking right in front of them.  (Yes, I've seen this a few times)  And kids, why should young children in line have to inhale 2nd hand smoke?  I wouldn't want my kids being subject to that.  The thing is, the people who are usually smoking in the queue (this is an observation) are teen-agers, and when someone older asks them to put it out, they tend to laugh and "defy authority," I guess.  I was a teenager once, I know how that is, but I would hope they had more respect for those around that couldn't get away from the smoke if they wanted to. 

OK, enough of my rant, I'm done with this topic...anybody wanna race my car??  :) 

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Mr. Skyward is my hero.
Just because I have a fast car, doesn't mean pull me over on my way to CP!
BHG:"If I don't believe in myself would that be blasphemy?"

I don't think anyone said you are wrong.  I also said SOME people, not all.  However, maybe you have discovered a treatment for smoke allergies.  Have some drinks and the symtoms go away ;)  Does anyone else find that odd?