Changes

Could also bring some of the gallon size zip-lock bags into the park and put your cotton candy in there when you get it. Not quite the same, but at least it would last longer.

CP4eva'04 said:
Maybe when he stops posting about the damn seatbelts I will be nicer.

Or maybe I will just stop posting at all.... Plus I don't make you read the stuff I just type it for who is interested.. Also I was just talking about the half inch slack rule...

Sorry if I offended anyone earlier...

Whatever makes you happy.

Gooooooozfrabba...

For those who crack on the operations of the food stands, perhaps you should consider that you have not worked in a high volume establishment such as it is at CP. And i garuntee that there isn't anything like working an amusement park food stand for volume and duration. Especially compared to a full service Pizza Hut. It's laughable to even compare the two.

I will agree that there are stands that are not properly organized, however, the system in doubt does have its applications. It should NOT be necessary to have more people in the back to produce for the front with a limited menu. It just isn't practicle when you get to more than four POS. I guess my piont is that the "Coasters" method is fine for its situation, but it just isn't needed universally.

Really do we need to complain about smoking... again? People smoking can be outdone in annoyance only by the people who complain about them.

Seaon pass holders do spend a lot of money over the course of a season. Yes they pull down the per cap, however JTaylor hit it on the head. And i know from experience at another park that there are more families like Mr Scott than the other extreme. Bottom line is that if SP holders are so stingy then the park wouldn't offer the pass or cost it out much higher.

I would definately add more mid to smaller sized flats. Classics like the Whip and Tumble Bug. To complain about capacity at CP is a little misplaced. Capacity at the park just keeps going up with each new ride. When you think that the attendance has generally been flat over the past six years that only means shorter lines. And it's absolutely what we have seen. Remember how Magnum was usually a 20+ minute wait in the late 90's? Adding any rides at this time only reduces lines. Unless they figure out a way to increase the gate draw capacity is not an issue. I just like the old flats.

Also I would definitely go with replacing trees. The absolute best way to combat the heat.
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Really do we need to complain about smoking... again? People smoking can be outdone in annoyance only by the people who complain about them.

Well, both problems would be solved by making CP a no-smoking environment. With all the "family-friendly" craze going around, it's a logical step, and one teeny area where Six Flags is ahead of the curve in some their parks...in my humble opinion. Until that happens, I'll just keep politely asking the egocentric guest ahead of me in line for Millenium Force to kindly quit murdering me.

For those who crack on the operations of the food stands, perhaps you should consider that you have not worked in a high volume establishment such as it is at CP.

Cry me a frickin river. Either smile and move fast, or look for another line of work. Working at a food stand at Cedar Point is not as special as you make it seem. This remains one of the weakest links in the chain, with some notable exceptions (Hurricane Hannahs has been great, and the Gourmet Pretzel Stand always moves quick, in particular). In my opinion.

To complain about capacity at CP is a little misplaced.

I agree 100%. In my opinion.

gener said:
For those who crack on the operations of the food stands, perhaps you should consider that you have not worked in a high volume establishment such as it is at CP. And i garuntee that there isn't anything like working an amusement park food stand for volume and duration. Especially compared to a full service Pizza Hut. It's laughable to even compare the two.

Nope, not laughable at all. Laughable would be comparing CP food ops with, say, a hair salon. Having worked in the service industry myself, I have some clue as to what I'm talking about - its a relatively valid comparison.

People smoking can be outdone in annoyance only by the people who complain about them.

Well said.

Seaon pass holders do spend a lot of money over the course of a season. Yes they pull down the per cap, however JTaylor hit it on the head. And i know from experience at another park that there are more families like Mr Scott than the other extreme. Bottom line is that if SP holders are so stingy then the park wouldn't offer the pass or cost it out much higher.

Well, which is it? Do SP holders pull the per cap down, or do they spend enough to match other guests? It can't be both.

Besides, my original point was regarding resort guests, which I'd be willing to guarantee spend more than the average SP holder.

Also I would definitely go with replacing trees. The absolute best way to combat the heat.

Best idea I've heard yet.

Instead of replacing trees (which would imply the removal of an existing tree and planting of a new tree) can't we just plant some new trees? ;)

Well, John, they've already done the first step. Several times.

1. Longer ride cycles for the flats. What is the use of a short line if the ride is loading and unloading more than it is running. The ride cycles used to be longer on slow days, now it seems to be so short it is not even worth riding them.
2. Security in the queue lines. There is no reason for having a no smoking and no line jumping policy if it is not enforced. I even saw a drunk man urinating in a garbage can while in line for Werewolf Canyon. Everybody in line was thoroughly disgusted but nobody was around to enforce the rules.
3. Higher gate and season pass prices with lower more reasonable food and souvenire prices. I really enjoy Holiday World and Kennywood for this reason. Besides a CP T-shirt is like free advertising.
4. Personal opinion: A Sally Dark ride and a really nice midesize wooden twister.

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im sorry if i complain about smoking, but it is the one thing i would change about cedar point(seems like this would be the correct thread). you can have your cancer(you is not pointed to any 1 person) but i dont want it. i agree with kevin, in a family enviorment smoking should not be allowed.

1. Agreed, with exception. For some people, the ride cycle will never be long enough, even if it were 10 minutes. You can't please everyone.
2. Nonsense. The cost would simply be too great, and its not really necessary. Have you ever been assaulted in line? Harassed? Demoralized? While a person smoking/urinating/defacating/expectorating/lactating/etc may be annoying and/or gross, its certainly not a threat to your personal safety. Either lighten up, or confront the situation yourself.
3. Wait - so you want HIGHER admission prices??? Even if that brought lower concessions prices, it wouldn't be worth it to those of us that prefer to eat our own food at our cars or cabins. And, souveneir prices are right where they should be - if you don't want a CP shirt, don't buy one.
4. A dark ride and a woodie would both be great additions.

im sorry if i complain about smoking, but it is the one thing i would change about cedar point(seems like this would be the correct thread). you can have your cancer(you is not pointed to any 1 person) but i dont want it. i agree with kevin, in a family enviorment smoking should not be allowed.

Right, because second-hand smoke induced cancer is soooo commonplace. *rolls eyes*
*** Edited 7/10/2006 6:06:40 PM UTC by djDaemon***

while i agree that some of the things that happend in line could be more enforced like line jumping and actual parks rules. it would cost too much money to have guards in every line, even just the most popular ride. i agree with dj, some stuff you can confront yourself like can you please put that out, or do you mind not taking a piss in the trash can?

edit: im not saying im going to get cancer... that was just a metaphor for smoke in my face. i just dont like it. *** Edited 7/10/2006 6:14:56 PM UTC by milleniumforcerocks***

Sorry to bring up the food issue again, but Gener, consider this.

The Pizza Hut I work in, which is only carryout and delivery, is one of the leaders in the area franchise when it comes to the volume of pizzas that we sell. On a Friday or Saturday night alone we can push over $2000 worth of sales in the span of 4-5 hours. In a 3 hour shift that I was working we pushed through well over $1200 dollars worth. Consider that volume, in a 4-5 hour stretch, at a Pizza Hut that is just carryout and delivery. There is a very valid comparison between that and a CP food stand when it comes to volume of food, etc... What's more, we have 5-6 people in the store, and we have two to three delivery drivers on Friday and Saturday evenings. It is pure mayhem, and everyone is about ready to pull out their hair. *** Edited 7/10/2006 6:14:58 PM UTC by BlueStreak64***

Right, because second-hand smoke induced cancer is soooo commonplace. *rolls eyes*

Working in the medical field, I can assure you that it is far more commonplace than one ever hears about. It is absolutely astonishing that in 2006 we treat this topic as "controversial", or "debated". As a business, I would agree that CP is certainly entitled to make its own policy in this arena (despite my opinions about smoking, I actually am opposed to the government imposed "bans" in certain areas, like Toledo, OH). I simply wish they will eventually change this policy.

Along the lines of millieniumforcerocks above, if we have to pick something to change, well, along with my barbershop quartet, this is at the top of the list.

Are you going to tell me that there are numerous cases of cancer caused by second hand smoke in outdoor venues?

Because I'd love some sort of data to back that up.

Just read the recent report from the American Hear Association (a group I'll trust as much as Phillip Morris, both have agenda's they just point in separate directions). Its chock-full of facts.

Are you going to tell me that there are numerous cases of cancer caused by second hand smoke in outdoor venues?

I would not ever suggest that the second hand smoke one is exposed to at CP would be the cause of cancer. There is no "silver bullet" cause, it's cumulative. If you smell it, youre taking it in...just like anything else. Lets pretend that it's 600,432 intances of encountering second hand smoke that will eventually turn the tide and lead some cells inside me to become cancerous. Lets also pretend that I encounter 15 of these per visit at CP. While your perspective is correct, in that the my exposure at CP is both an "outdoor version" (the advantage being it doesnt stick around as long) and a small number in the big picture.

However, the 600,432 is made up of small "15's" like at CP...and eliminating all of them would be the goal, or at least most of them, so that in my life i never hit that number. I can control this number by choosing where I eat, walk, run, etc...and in a PUBLIC place, I would argue that my right to not be exposed outweighs someone else's right to smoke.

I used to smoke over a pack a day, and if I could go back in time and read what I just wrote, I would laugh and wonder who the moronic author is. But as a recovered addict, my perspective has changed.
*** Edited 7/10/2006 6:32:00 PM UTC by Kevinj***

djDaemon said:

Right, because second-hand smoke induced cancer is soooo commonplace.

Horray for statistics!

The rate of lung cancer in people who haven't been exposed to secondhand smoke: 10/1,000,000 (yea that's ten in one million).

The rate of lung cancer in people who HAVE been exposed to secondhand smoke: 12.5/1,000,000.

2.5 people out of 1 million means that if they surveyed again, the results could be completely reversed. What it boils down to is that there is a negligible difference.

The previous results (25% more likely if exposed to secondhand, etc..) that the EPA published were thrown out by the supreme court, as they were shown to be untrue.

Now, that being said.... I normally don't have a problem with smokers. I play in bands, and I do band photography, so I'm always inside smoky venues. Hell, I even smoke cigars and a pipe at times. However, some of the cheap-ass cigarettes that people smoke are just horrible. I don't know what it is about the tobacco "blends" in these things but I would rather smell a flaming bag of poop. Once again, I'm not saying that it's all of them.

Another thing that bothers me is where people choose to light up said cheap-ass cigarettes. When I'm sitting outside of donut time drinking a coffee and the lady next to me is ashing all over my donut, that pisses me off.

The only reason I'm in favor of designated smoking areas is that it keeps everyone happy. I'm approaching this with as level of a head as I think I can, because I think that if someone wants to smoke, go right ahead. Please, just be courteous of the others around you. While there's plenty of courteous smokers at CP, there's a large group of them that "don't give a ****", and they ruin it for everyone.

*** Edited 7/10/2006 6:39:59 PM UTC by e x i t english***

djDaemon said:

Seaon pass holders do spend a lot of money over the course of a season. Yes they pull down the per cap, however JTaylor hit it on the head. And i know from experience at another park that there are more families like Mr Scott than the other extreme. Bottom line is that if SP holders are so stingy then the park wouldn't offer the pass or cost it out much higher.

Well, which is it? Do SP holders pull the per cap down, or do they spend enough to match other guests? It can't be both.

Besides, my original point was regarding resort guests, which I'd be willing to guarantee spend more than the average SP holder.

When I go I to am like Mr. Scott. I drive a little under 3 hours 1 way so I usually stay on site. My previous estimate was just for admission, food, and souviners. Just because I don't pay to get in the park everytime I still spend alot of money there. I should buy stock in the company.