What CedarPoint is lacking the most....

ok, im sorry kinda off topic, but what is the RCT station? i probably should know this but i just can't think of it! lol
I know you guys are going to laugh at the concept of this, but i have never heard of it before and have no idea if it could be done. What about a stand up, suspended coaster? Just think of it standing up under the track with the cars swinging freely and going through some cool inversions. They could even utilize the same track type of X where two of the rails control the rotation of the trains.

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Broken, Fixed, Given up, Thrown Away "nine inch nails"

Not sure if that would work, but that would be sweet.
It would generate too many g's around the turns for the track to handle. Intresting concept though...

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The best thing about Six Flags "Worlds of Adventure" is that Cedar Point is nearby!

Now how would that generate too many G's for the track to handle? B&M's inverted coasters do it just fine, and the trains wouldn't be very much heavier.

Yes this concept has come up before, but people dismiss it and say that it would inflict too many G's on the riders and it would be uncomfortable. I think that an inverted-standup would be cool, but they would seemingly have to be rather bulky with all the restraints needed. If some kind of innovation like this doesn't come along, I think it's safe to say that the era of the standups has run its course.

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...and the most anticipated event of summer 2003 is...

The Matrix: Reloaded!

The thing with a standup inverted design is, do we think most people would want it? You end up with another standup coaster, with bunny seats and a OTH harness your head is probably going to bang into. How many standup coasters have we seen since Chang or Riddlers revenge?? I don't think one (I may be wrong there). Just my opinion, but I think standups have run their course. Or at least they are not very popular to install new anymore. So why would you make another standup? Yes I know your standing up inverted but to me it's too similar to Mantis or any standup. I don't know, I just always look at the people who don't ride Mantis right and the delays in the station. After seeing that there is no way I would install anything standup in a park.

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"This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!"
"And that's the way the cookie crumbles"


CP_bound said:
How about you lean forward on Mean Streak the next time you ride. If you don't let your back touch the hard seat backing you will have a great time. And it you still claims that it hurts you, then you need to request to board any school bus that has a route through some country roads and see how much you like that.

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...and the most anticipated event of summer 2003 is...

The Matrix: Reloaded!



I live on a dirt road and ride the bus home. My road is incredibly bumpy. I rode Mean Streak once last year, and will never ever ride it again. I'm 15 years old and had to sit down on a bench for 5 minutes because it was too painful to walk. No matter what I tried, taking my butt off, my back off, trying both at the same time....it didn't work. While I'm a male gymnast (semi explaining the pain) a dirt road dosn't even COMPARE to how painful MS is.

Edit-About the future...I would either like to see one of the past 90* drops...maybe a 100* drop, snagging the steepest...or I would just like to see a wild mouse coaster. They've been throwing the thrills at us for quite a bit now, I think it's time to get a nice family coaster...but not a kiddie.
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OMG! The Space Spiral is leaning!!" Must be the weight of that new air conditioning system everyone keeps hypothesizing about...
*** This post was edited by Cp_Rider 6/5/2003 6:35:42 PM ***

Did none of you pay attention the part where I said, utilize the same track type as X? The two rail's on the outside have gearbox's (i think) that control the rotation of the train, and the inner two direct it throughout the circut(or vise versa im not positive), or the could spin or something. There is so many possibilies with a ride like this. It would be absolutly amazy, and as for hitting your head the trains could be adjustible to an extent, and just be designed big enough to fit even the taller of folks.

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Broken, Fixed, Given up, Thrown Away "nine inch nails"
*** This post was edited by Phil Bernard 6/6/2003 1:05:17 AM ***

If it was an off coaster year IE 2004 Giant double Fly Swatter! if it is a coaster, maybe a B&M sit-down coaster, but good luck seeing a B&M in CP for awhile, Intamin wasn't brought back to the park till MFer was made after their blunder that is avalanche run.

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Ed Markey is my anti-drug.
Rollercoasters have proven to cause brain damage in stupid politicians. DAR-HOOT

trips to CP:6 Dragster:2 MFer:6 Magnum: 13 Running with the bulls for a 15 minutes dragster wait, Must be June!

Whoa, don't blame Intamin for the Avalanche Run issues. This is going way back but it is my understanding that CP insisted that the trains/cars be longer than Intamin recommended in order to increase capacity. As a result, the train/car cannot get as much vertical movement in the troft as other similar installations do.

If you had a chance to ride the Screamin' Delta Demon (I think that was the name) at Opryland you would have had the chance to ride a terrific 'Bobs type of coaster. The difference? The train/car was considerably shorter.

Intamin was not involved, to my knowledge in the retrofit that is now Disaster Transport.

actually Intamin Promised CP that it would be fine with the double wide cars, and it would rival gemeni in intensity, but as we all know it doesn't rival the mid-way carousel. but i do like the ride and it is fun. and no i don't think DT was Intamin's fault. But they should have had the single wide trains for AR it would have been the best!

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Ed Markey is my anti-drug.
Rollercoasters have proven to cause brain damage in stupid politicians. DAR-HOOT

trips to CP:6 Dragster:2 MFer:6 Magnum: 13 Running with the bulls for a 15 minutes dragster wait, Must be June!

keep everything and build a flyer and a spiderman type ride. I agree with jamie corns, as much as i like coasters spiderman in Universal was one on the most fun rides I have been on.

Hooper said:
How many standup coasters have we seen since Chang or Riddlers revenge??

The last standup ever made was Georgia Scorcher at Six Flags Over Georgia. It was made in 1999. Definitely one of the better standups, since it focuses more on sharp curves than inversions (it only has two inversions, loop and corkscrew). Rode it twice. And Raptor1117, RCT Station is/was one of the best Roller Coaster Tycoon fan sites out there. The owner, Red Phoenix, has closed it due to financial reasons. That site used to be one of my daily stops. I would love to see a new standup made somewhere in the world. Duh, CP already has one (Mantis).

Although MR. Kinzel and the planning staff have already thought up what we will want a wooden coaster thats bigger than MS would be kind of fun. Cedar Fair always seem to get it right!

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Erie: The only great lake you can walk from end to end and only get oil on your shoes!

yes cp dose need a flyer but can't take out corckscrew. just build the flyer on the lake that way corckscrew would stay. you know build a dock and put the station on that.


you laugh because i'm difrent and i laugh at you because you are all the same.
CP needs a Rotor more than anything else. It's a classic, and it probably wouldn't quite cost $25 million. I've only ridden a real Rotor....hmmm.....maybe 3 or 4 times, all in one trip to SFWoA, which was SF Ohio at the time. The only thing that would be better than a Rotor or a 500' flying coaster would be the Schwabinschen. I cried when I saw Chaos instead of my Schwabinchen this year (Well, I didn't actually have tears running down my face but my eyes welled up and even now I can feel my heart breaking when I think about it).
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"As long as these Pants are Square and this Sponge is Bob, I will not let you down!"
If I had to guess, I would say that CP is getting a flyer next. But if I had my choice, they really should build another woodie. I know they usually go for some type of size record, but what they really should go after is the #1 woodie spot on the AT poll. I just got done with my first trips to HW and MIA, and I love those rides, but I think if CP had the goal of beating them on the polls, they could easily do it.

The manufacturer should be Intamin. That will allow them to have a larger wooden coaster with tons of airtime that does not cost 250,000 per year to maintain. I know Intamins are more expensive, but it will work out in the long run. And this time they need to build it backwards. Start with the bunny hills. Design them the way a perfect bunny hill should be, decide what speed you need for it, and then when you design the next to last element, make it end with the speed you need. Work backwards to the lift hill and then you will have a perfect ride throughout, especially when you have Intamin quality track. They need to have a ST-like run of hills and some pause and drops like the great CCI's do (Raven and Cyclops). A few killer turns like Raven and Zeus have should not be forgotten.

With all the money they will save on maintenance from using Intamin, hopefully they can pay the needed insurance premiums to have buzzbars and no headrests. It would be nice to have no seat dividers, but that is not needed.

While a ride like this would probably not give the attendance spike a record flyer would, it would give CP a lot more support from the enthusiast community that would benefit CP in many ways for several years. Also, it would probably cost a bit less than another record breaking steel coaster, especially if they go to B&M for it. Once the coaster hits the top of the polls, they can advertise it just like a record breaker.

If they do it right, I think they could top the AT poll for years. Not many new woodies are being made and of those so few spend the money needed to buy Intamin's quality. But they can't cut corners with ratchets and midcourse breaks for capacity. If they do, they probably won't land the top spot. Those who vote on the polls will just love the buzzbars and even if a midcourse breakrun would allow higher capacity, it will just kill the pacing that is so important for a top ranked woodie.

I have been on the new flyer at SF:GAm and I was not that impressed.
*** This post was edited by Front Seat Rider 6/9/2003 9:01:27 PM ***

i would say no to the rotor, and it was Geauga lake(sp?), not sf of ohio, and i say whatever they build next, i will be happy with!!!

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Phil Bernard said:
I know you guys are going to laugh at the concept of this, but i have never heard of it before and have no idea if it could be done. What about a stand up, suspended coaster? Just think of it standing up under the track with the cars swinging freely and going through some cool inversions. They could even utilize the same track type of X where two of the rails control the rotation of the trains.

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Broken, Fixed, Given up, Thrown Away "nine inch nails"


That would be a bit painful for us uh.............male riders!

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120 mph in 4 seconds, 420 feet high, 20 seconds of pure thrill and terror--OH YEAH!

Oops. I can't keep that park's names straight. How could anybody say no to a Rotor, though?

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