Dinosaurs! >>>Good idea or really bad idea???

YouCEdarMyPoint said today:
Cedar Fair's financials have improved. No I'm not saying the company is on the brink of collapse (although it was).

And they've apparently improved within the last 24 hours.

YouCEdarMyPoint said yesterday:
upcharging and contracting services to private companies rather than investing in the infrastructure of the park, are very strong indications of a company in severe financial distress.

djDaemon said:

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
...a lot of you will owe me serious apoligies...

If we all "apoligize" to you now, will you go away?

'Cause I'll happily start, if that's what it takes.

I'm sorry, YouCEdarMyPoint.

Thank you dj Daemon, I accept your apology. If you are one of the people with vast knowledge, I also apologize to you if you were offended. As far as going away, I'm afraid you guys are stuck with me.

In that case, I retract my apology.

And I suspect that if your attitude doesn't improve, you won't have any say in whether or not you stick around.

Oh well, you can apologize to me again in the future; but, I'm still not offended. That's your opinion and you are entitled to that.

As far as my attitude, I guess that is another thing that is your point of view. We all know that I'm not the only one that has these views. Maybe, all other people who have apposing views have been banned from the site as well; but, that doesn't really make for an interesting discussion board. In any case, if a moderator wants to ban me, that's their call. (side note - sorry Jeff, I'm working on getting better with the whole quote thing). It's not my site, I'm a guest the same as you. I will say, I certainly have taken a lot more abuse from many other members than I dished out. Did I deserve it? That answer soley depends on whether you agree with me or not. This is a fan website. I am clearly a fan and long time patron of the park. Do I like every decision management made with the park? No, but I didn't see where that was a prerequisite to post on the forum. I would just like to see a few people be a little less thin skinned. Why can't we all just agree to disagree and get along?

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
...all other people who have apposing views have been banned from the site as well...

Since you've been here all of 4 days, you are excused from being laughably ignorant here. If you'd take a few days to read and see how the community interacts, you'd notice that there are, without question, all variety of opposing views and impassioned debate on pretty much everything imaginable. The problem with you isn't that your opinions are ignorant (and make no mistake - they are), but rather that you have absolutely no desire to learn anything from the members here who actually know what they're talking about.

...that doesn't really make for an interesting discussion board.

You are in absolutely no position to make that call. This community fosters plenty of interesting discussion. That you claim to know otherwise is yet another example of your ignorance.

I would just like to see a few people be a little less thin skinned.

And this community has repeatedly expressed a desire for you post less, and listen (and learn) more.

That's the problem though, you use circular logic, you've been insulting to people and your attitude has been

you can kiss my A## or admit I'm right.

That attitude is in no way conducive to rational or civil conversation because you have been unwilling to accept anything that doesn't match your high and mighty view. You don't provide "facts" to support your argument, you just repeat what you've been saying as if that makes it correct.

And since you're a fan of "you're proving my point" well you've proven your own point. You are the $5 upcharge that you're sure will turn people away. We gave you a shot, heard you out, and it was a waste of time and energy and most of the people in the conversation have written you off as not being worth having a conversation with again.

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
Maybe, all other people who have apposing views have been banned from the site as well; but, that doesn't really make for an interesting discussion board. In any case, if a moderator wants to ban me, that's their call.

The myth that people are banned here for having opposing views has reached urban legend status. It has never happened and it will never happen. There are various reasons why someone might lose their account, but it's never because they had an opposing viewpoint. They might tell themselves (or others) that's why they are no longer welcome, but that's a different story.

YouCedarMyPoint,

You're getting just as much action as you deserve. You type long posts (some that really don't prove anything) and then just practically keep saying "I'm right, you're wrong". Of course you'll get backlash when you act like this. Maybe personal attacks aren't needed, but there haven't been very many of those.

Have you looked into why DA is upcharge? Because its going through another company. If it were to be FREE, the park probably wouldn't make as much money off of it. In all honesty, yes, there WILL be more premium rides, attractions and services in the future..but every park (yes, even Disney, Six Flags etc...) has them. Not EVERY single ride will be Up-Charge. Up-Charge attractions aren't new...as a matter of fact they are no where near new. Therefore, your entire argument is irrelevant. How about just sitting back and watching how this unfolds for the next few days?

YouCEdarMyPoint said: (side note - sorry Jeff, I'm working on getting better with the whole quote thing). It's not my site, I'm a guest the same as you.

If you would've done a bit more studying you would realize that Jeff isn't a guest. We're all the guests...him and Walt are the hosts of the party.

Walt said:

There are various reasons why someone might lose their account, but it's never because they had an opposing viewpoint.

Thank you Walt, that is all I was trying to refer to. I have read the posting rules and with the exception of my poor use of the quoting function (again, sorry Jeff, I'm still working on it) I am within the rules. Some people seemed to imply my opposing views offended them and if I didn't adjust my attitude I would be banned.

Attitude and opposing opinions are completely different. ;)

Everyone already agrees with me, some just won't admit it. The bottom line is if the general admission ticket is $51.99 (minus any discounts) for everyone accept familes with children. Now families with children are now paying $56.99 a person and $31.99 for a Jr. ticket unless of course you want to risk ruining you childrens day by not seeing the dinosaurs. I am not a huge fan of the water rides. I don't get a discount off my ticket because it's 60 degrees and cloudy on a day when I visit the park so I don't want to ride the water ride attraction even though it's open and other people are ridding it. DA is not a luxury, it as being promoted as the newest attraction. Some people only want to ride rides and have never seen any of the live entertainment. Why aren't those people given a choice to buy a cheaper ticket?

First, not everyone agrees with you. Second, people are not given a choice to buy a cheaper ticket because that's not the way it works. CP makes the rules and prices. If you want to go to CP, you follow those rules and pay the prices they are requiring. If not, then don't go. It's entirely up to you.

I understand your argument, but it doesn't mean I agree with it. I definitely see where you are coming from...but I think it's your opinion - not a fact.

I don't agree with you on any level; real or imagined.

But that's OK. What I don't understand is the insistence on berating a point. We get it. We just disagree.

Sometimes the new attraction costs more. When Soak City opened up, it was the new thing. It costs a lot more. Challenge Park...more.

It's all about choice. More choices is a good thing.

Everything about Cedar Point is a luxury. They don't owe you anything.

Why aren't those people given a choice to buy a cheaper ticket?

So now you're arguing for a Pay-to-Ride system, which you established earlier has a horrible business decision.

Kevinj said:

Everything about Cedar Point is a luxury. They don't owe you anything.

Exactly. Cedar Point itself is a luxury, it could easily be a golf course or high end condos there instead.

You're oversimplifying the argument.

Cedar Fair says that roughly one-third of attendance comes from group sales, one-third from season passes, and one-third from traditional ticket sales.

Of those one-third that fall into traditional ticket sales, how many do you suppose pay the full gate price? Given that you can trip on the sidewalk and find a deal on tickets, I'm guessing not a lot. Even if everyone in that group paid full price, you still have two-thirds who don't. That's a pretty small group to be basing an argument on.

Yes, I know it's a huge over simplification, I intented it that way for the benefit of some (oh lets just say) posters who haven't yet learned to broaded their economic horizens outside their allowence. Season passes not with standing as that is not even close to the target market for DA; and before anyone has to say it, yes I know families buy season passes. It doesn't matter what the price of the ticket is. It's still $5 more per person; but, only to a select group of people, families.

Here is a fun question. Some one tell me what the difference between upcharging for DA, geared towards families. Or, next year (hypothetically speaking) the park decides to make one of it's live shows a Broadway style musical and decides to upcharge for that show. While I may be curious to see it one time and may even enjoy it, no one would ever confuse me for being the target audience. The park has every right to do it and it would raise big money for the park. However, a certain segment of the population that enjoys show tunes would certainly be outraged and scream discrimination. It's the same exact situation, just a different circumstance. Still think it's a good idea?

And in the first run-on sentence, we have an insult.

You really need to learn how to communicate without being a douchebag.

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
...I intented it that way for the benefit of some (oh lets just say) posters who haven't yet learned to broaded their economic horizens outside their allowence.

Since you've already mastered business economics, architecture, marketing and future predicting, perhaps it's time to "broaded" your spelling "horizens".

Given that tickets to a real broadway show can cost $150, if their show actually had high production values and talent and was a musical of that caliber, also given that you can really only do 1 show or at best 2 per day, I'm pretty sure that target would gladly pay the $5 to see a show of that quality.

Your example picked a group that is notoriously accepting of overpaying to see entertainment. That's part of why broadway shows cost so much AND that cost most definitely limits the people that can go because a lot of people can't afford it and they aren't struggling to keep people coming.

Considering the number one priority of Cedar Point is to make money and keep their shareholders happy then as long as they are doing that then I have no problems with DA or any other kind of scenario you can throw up there to parallel it like a Broadway type show.